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views of being an honest broker to find a solution to the two-state israel-palestine conflict and the pentagon reform needs to be on the table that we have more nuclear weapons than we need in the 21st century. those are all very mainstream views among national security experts and the american people at large. what is going on here is you have some republicans not trying to redefine the mainstream out from under the american people. >> john: i can't help but think that john mccain and chuck hagel once voted for donald rumsfeld not long ago. now you spent time on the campaign. what was their relationship then. >> the relationship was closer--it was close really from the beginning. back in the 1999 when i was a correspondent for a network we won't name in which john mccain and chuck hagel and then secretary cohen, a bunk of us reporters went to brussels. there was john mccain chatting with the brass and he would make time for chuck hagel. he said give time to my friend chuck hagel who was a new senator who we thought didn't know anything about foreign policy. now he's the first to endorse mccai
views of being an honest broker to find a solution to the two-state israel-palestine conflict and the pentagon reform needs to be on the table that we have more nuclear weapons than we need in the 21st century. those are all very mainstream views among national security experts and the american people at large. what is going on here is you have some republicans not trying to redefine the mainstream out from under the american people. >> john: i can't help but think that john mccain and...
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obviously the pentagon is trying to manage the situation as best as they can. but i think all of us should reflect on why exactly are we doing this? why are we doing this? >> john: at this point it might be fair to say we aren't doing this, mr. president. you and congress are in all of our names. for more, i'm joined by carlos warner, an assistant defender who represents 11 detainees at the guantanamo bay prison. counselor warner, welcome back to viewpoint. >> thank you for having me again, john. >> john: when did you last speak to your clients and are any of your clients on hunger strike? >> i represent 11. we believe ten of them are hunger striking although we can't say for sure because it is hard to communicate in guantanamo nowadays. the one that's is a high value detainee. i'm more than happy to tell you about the pain of being force-fed. >> john: please do both. what could you like to say about the president's remarks? >> he's blaming congress. he said congress has prevented it. what needs to be clear is under the current version of the ndaa, he has the a
obviously the pentagon is trying to manage the situation as best as they can. but i think all of us should reflect on why exactly are we doing this? why are we doing this? >> john: at this point it might be fair to say we aren't doing this, mr. president. you and congress are in all of our names. for more, i'm joined by carlos warner, an assistant defender who represents 11 detainees at the guantanamo bay prison. counselor warner, welcome back to viewpoint. >> thank you for having...
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to the pentagon. which i think doesn't say they'll take the c.i.a. totally out of the business. little murky there. but basically, it is up to the pentagon. which i think makes more sense. look, these are killing machines in a time of war whether it's actual all-out war or this continuing -- the war on terror. the war of islamic militants. that's really the job of the pentagon more than the job of the c.i.a. which is supposed to be our spy agency, not our killer agency. every time the c.i.a.'s gotten involved to kill anybody starting with assassinating other leaders of the world we didn't happen to like at the time, we've gotten in trouble. i think moving to this pentagon is a good effort. the other thing is it is going to impose the same standards on foreign enemies that we now impose on americans tightening up the use of drones and also according to "the new york times," it is going to limit what are called these signature strikes where we have hit groups of people, remember, the stories about weddi
to the pentagon. which i think doesn't say they'll take the c.i.a. totally out of the business. little murky there. but basically, it is up to the pentagon. which i think makes more sense. look, these are killing machines in a time of war whether it's actual all-out war or this continuing -- the war on terror. the war of islamic militants. that's really the job of the pentagon more than the job of the c.i.a. which is supposed to be our spy agency, not our killer agency. every time the c.i.a.'s...
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and if you just told the pentagon, okay. you have to get $46,000,000,000 out of your budget by september 30th, you figure it out. they would whine all the way to september 30th. you come up with a workable solution. but that's not the game they are playing. they are playing these across the board cuts. >> on a related question talking about budget and someone who has spoken out about the need to do some debt trimming of the budget let's say in the pentagon. chuck hagel, they are going to vote again next week. what is the feeling at the pentagon do they expect him to be the next defense secretary? >> oh, yeah. i think everybody anticipates him being the next secretary of defense. the issue there is is he a damaged secretary of defense? you have a guy who has got congressional experience, and my experience covering the pentagon all of these years is that political skills are the most important thing that a secretary of defense needs. >> really? >> yeah, because in the end, that's who gives you the money. >> that's whatley on p
and if you just told the pentagon, okay. you have to get $46,000,000,000 out of your budget by september 30th, you figure it out. they would whine all the way to september 30th. you come up with a workable solution. but that's not the game they are playing. they are playing these across the board cuts. >> on a related question talking about budget and someone who has spoken out about the need to do some debt trimming of the budget let's say in the pentagon. chuck hagel, they are going to...
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poor leon panetta has to stay in the pentagon even longer like george bailey never getting out of bed. now because of you mr. reid, the chicken hawks have come home to roost. harry reid spent much of last year getting pressure to reform the rule but he blew the chance. then he apologized for blowing the chance. he said you on udall and mercury were right and he was wrong. he promised us come the beginning of the almighty 2013 session, he would make filibuster reform happen. on the first day harry had a chance to change the filibuster rules with a simple majority and harry reid stepped to the plate and filibustered on filibuster. he choked like george w. bush on pretzel nights on filibusters. he folded. s the
poor leon panetta has to stay in the pentagon even longer like george bailey never getting out of bed. now because of you mr. reid, the chicken hawks have come home to roost. harry reid spent much of last year getting pressure to reform the rule but he blew the chance. then he apologized for blowing the chance. he said you on udall and mercury were right and he was wrong. he promised us come the beginning of the almighty 2013 session, he would make filibuster reform happen. on the first day...
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combat mission forces, and cyber protection forces to fortify the pentagon's computer networks. it's a brave new virtual world and some experts say america's already late to the game when it comes to fighting cyber wars. with me from washington, d.c. to talk about what is needed to boost cyber security in the pentagon is allen paul, director of research at the sans institute. he's co-chair of the secretary of homeland securities task force on cyber skills. welcome to the war room, allen. >> thank you michael. >> michael: you know, president obama announced what are saying are long awaited cyber security executive order in the state of the union address. let's listen to the president talk about what he has to say on the other side. >> earlier today i signed a new executive order that will strengthen our cyber defenses by increasing information sharing and developing standards is to protect our national security, our jobs, and our privacy. [applause] >> michael: so allen what does that establish? and in specifics what did the president layout for us? >> those two things have compl
combat mission forces, and cyber protection forces to fortify the pentagon's computer networks. it's a brave new virtual world and some experts say america's already late to the game when it comes to fighting cyber wars. with me from washington, d.c. to talk about what is needed to boost cyber security in the pentagon is allen paul, director of research at the sans institute. he's co-chair of the secretary of homeland securities task force on cyber skills. welcome to the war room, allen....
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and who at the pentagon where is this authority at the pentagon and who makes the decisions on how widespread do you know is the drone program run by the pentagon? >> i don't know necessarily the scope of the program, but i can tell you that in recent weeks, that's something that leon paneta as he is doing his final media tour ahead of likely being out of the pentgon, very shortly has been talking a lot about and he kind of said that drone warfare is likely to be a staple of the american military for quite some time looking forward. that was an interview about two weeks ago. the top guy at the pentagon spoken out about and said it will be part of the future the way america handles the military and he spoke to the program's success as well. >> bill: we have been talking. a lot about who makes this decision to go after an american citizen or non-american citizen. >> right. >> with drones. right now, there is a cia program and defense department program. why would you have two? as uncomfortable as i am with drones, i am more comfortable having it run out of the pentagon anthan the cia, given the
and who at the pentagon where is this authority at the pentagon and who makes the decisions on how widespread do you know is the drone program run by the pentagon? >> i don't know necessarily the scope of the program, but i can tell you that in recent weeks, that's something that leon paneta as he is doing his final media tour ahead of likely being out of the pentgon, very shortly has been talking a lot about and he kind of said that drone warfare is likely to be a staple of the american...
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if the republicans are willing to give a bit on pentagon cuts are democrats willing to give on any social programs. >> you know already we have cut over 1 trillion-dollar. the only way we've been addressing the deficit minus from what we did on january 2nd have been through cuts alone. i think our safety net is already tattered, and i certainly don't want to see it destroyed. having said that i think there are ways to find savings. there are ways to find savings in medicare where you're not reducing benefits, you're not raising the age but renegotiating prescription drugs for one example. we can find savings without having any further cuts that actually slow the growth of our economy. >> jennifer: yes, totally agree. tell us just quickly about the process from here. there is only three weeks left. so what happens right now? the leadership goes in? what's the process? >> that's an interesting question. if you look at the month of february we're only in session for 11 days. that's a bit of a mystery for the democrats. the process should be that there is a budget voted on on our floor that g
if the republicans are willing to give a bit on pentagon cuts are democrats willing to give on any social programs. >> you know already we have cut over 1 trillion-dollar. the only way we've been addressing the deficit minus from what we did on january 2nd have been through cuts alone. i think our safety net is already tattered, and i certainly don't want to see it destroyed. having said that i think there are ways to find savings. there are ways to find savings in medicare where you're...
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. >> it's very unusual, and it shows that there is room to cut in the pentagon budget. most people don't know that from 1998 or so up until 2010-2011 the pentagon budget more than doubled from $300 billion to up around $700 billion. $700 billion, more than doubled. it did go down a little bit in in 2011-2012, but there is still lots of room to cut. and the abrams tank is one case in point. people might remember from the election last year mitt romney was talking these fan it wascal things about the navy, building ships the navy didn't want. these things are done in the name of being tough on our enemies, being tough on terror, as well as the job programs that you and heather discussed. it's just very hard to break that chain. >> john: indeed, i can recall senator lieberman of connecticut saying that his state had to build nuclear-powered submarines to fight al-qaeda. nownow they're insisting on building tanks that the army doesn't want. what about the tea parties is this something that they could get primaried over? >> i doubt it. i don't think this has the emotional re
. >> it's very unusual, and it shows that there is room to cut in the pentagon budget. most people don't know that from 1998 or so up until 2010-2011 the pentagon budget more than doubled from $300 billion to up around $700 billion. $700 billion, more than doubled. it did go down a little bit in in 2011-2012, but there is still lots of room to cut. and the abrams tank is one case in point. people might remember from the election last year mitt romney was talking these fan it wascal things...
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pentagon set to lift ban on women in combat. lynn sweet is the washington bureau chief for the "chicago sun times" in studio this hour as a "friend of bill." lynn as joe biden would say this is a bfd. >> it is. long overdue. it is recognition that many women are -- it is not official but they're doing combat. and i know we'll be talking about representative tammy duckworth who is a freshman lawmaker but who is a wounded iraq war vet who certainly sacrificed in combat so let's make it official. and i think the point is you still have -- you still have to fit certain standards. if a man or woman doesn't fit a standard they can't do the job. >> bill: right. if there is a reason you can't have somebody who's not strong enough to do a certain job, then they won't do it. just like you have certain men who won't be doing certain jobs if they're not strong enough and i think it's long overdue. >> bill: it has been pointed out some 20,000 women -- because it is sometimes impossible, you never know where combat is going to occur. the 20,0
pentagon set to lift ban on women in combat. lynn sweet is the washington bureau chief for the "chicago sun times" in studio this hour as a "friend of bill." lynn as joe biden would say this is a bfd. >> it is. long overdue. it is recognition that many women are -- it is not official but they're doing combat. and i know we'll be talking about representative tammy duckworth who is a freshman lawmaker but who is a wounded iraq war vet who certainly sacrificed in combat...
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they are going to want tours of the pentagon. chuck hagel is going to have a list of people who stabbed him in the back. right? >> right. they stabbed him in the front, i think. >> you are right. >> no screatus here yeah. thighs guys will -- i think that he probably sitting at how many today and over the president's day recess will be relishing the opportunity in the future should he have it to get these guys crawling back to him begging for help if there are base closures, contracts being handed out, and they will need to work with him in the future. and that's actually like a real problem for some members of congress in their future relationship with chuck hagel. buck mcian, connell out straight against chuck hagel and say, i don't like this. the president should choose another nominee. how are they going to work together in the future in he's already made his opposition so clear? >> bill: one other way that seems to me this could backfire. i love your take on this. some day, even i have to admit as a yellow-dog democrat. some
they are going to want tours of the pentagon. chuck hagel is going to have a list of people who stabbed him in the back. right? >> right. they stabbed him in the front, i think. >> you are right. >> no screatus here yeah. thighs guys will -- i think that he probably sitting at how many today and over the president's day recess will be relishing the opportunity in the future should he have it to get these guys crawling back to him begging for help if there are base closures,...
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daniel elseburg, the famous pentagon papers whistle blower, held up as heroes in circles talks about how bradley manning had access to much higher information and could have released more, and actually, he was very careful in what he did choose and choose not to release. you know i think it's important to point out that, you know, we hold daniel elseburg to be this hero and he absolutely is, but the information he released was top secret and the information that bradley manning released, some of it was secret, much lower and some not classified at all. so he's kind of put out there by government officials as this, you know, evil person who was you know, going against the interest of the united states, and possibly aiding the enemy. cenk: right. >> you know, when in fact, this information, a lot of it wasn't even classified to begin with. cenk: all right. trevor tim, thank you for joining you guess and thank you for releasing the audio. we appreciate it. it's good to hear from bradley manning himself. the government has been trying to bottle him up this entire time. it's about damn ti
daniel elseburg, the famous pentagon papers whistle blower, held up as heroes in circles talks about how bradley manning had access to much higher information and could have released more, and actually, he was very careful in what he did choose and choose not to release. you know i think it's important to point out that, you know, we hold daniel elseburg to be this hero and he absolutely is, but the information he released was top secret and the information that bradley manning released, some...
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pentagon reporters say the policy shift is just semantics -- a reflection rather of what is already happening on the ground. women have been serving alongside their male counterparts in danger zones for years. the exclusion policy prohibits women from serving directly in combat, but there have been 152 female troops killed in what are defined as quote, support roles in iraq and afghanistan. now there are 250,000 jobs open to women that weren't open before. there may still be some positions that the military considers inappropriate for women, and the officials have until january 2016 to carve out her to exceptions. 14% of our american tear personnel are women. and north korea plans to bring out more missiles samed at the us. they are reacting to a sanction against them. north korea often issued these kind of threats, but doesn't have the technology to carry them out at this point. we're back after the break. the headlines. (vo) in the minefield of the nation's gun control debate, this could be the most polarizing issue. >> anybody can claim stand your ground and they could get away with murder
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into the pentagon? is that a cause for separation on your part? >> when is it gonna happen? is it going to include pakistan? what is the -- what are the specifics behind those intentions? we've heard good intentions now for five years including the intention to close guantanamo but we need to see it done. in the meantime, brennan is the same person that told us in 2011 there has been no civilians killed by droabs and then changed it to maybe a handful. from our estimates, there are thousands of people who have been killed by drones. there was no recognition of that in the president's speech. no sense of we are going to give you these figures make them public. we're going to make the legal memos public. we're going to apologize and compensate to the innocent people who have been killed by our drones. certainly none of that was said. >> john: as you know, we've talked about drones extensively on this program and been critical of the administration. for those who didn't get to hear your speech during the president's speech, is the president's drone war policy make the u.s. safe
into the pentagon? is that a cause for separation on your part? >> when is it gonna happen? is it going to include pakistan? what is the -- what are the specifics behind those intentions? we've heard good intentions now for five years including the intention to close guantanamo but we need to see it done. in the meantime, brennan is the same person that told us in 2011 there has been no civilians killed by droabs and then changed it to maybe a handful. from our estimates, there are...
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and another stumble on the way to the pentagon was his lgbt rights. he rejected james hormel to be ambassador to luxembourg with frankly offensive comments. hagel told a local newspaper i'm quoting ambassadorial posts are sensitive. they're representing america. they're representing our lifestyles values and standards, and i think it's an inhibiting factor to be openly, aggressively gay like mr. hormel to do a better job. this was the late 90s and toxic homophobia was very common common, hagel has apologized for those remarks and said as secretary of defense he will support open service and lgbt military families. now the log cabin republicans the lgbt gay advocacy group did not seem too impressed. they put out an ad chuck hagel hagel's apology, too little, too late. james hormel, the man hagel rejected and slandered had a very different take. quote, senator hagel stated in his remarks that he was willing to support open military service and lgbt military families. if that is a commitment to treat lgbt services members and families like everybody else
and another stumble on the way to the pentagon was his lgbt rights. he rejected james hormel to be ambassador to luxembourg with frankly offensive comments. hagel told a local newspaper i'm quoting ambassadorial posts are sensitive. they're representing america. they're representing our lifestyles values and standards, and i think it's an inhibiting factor to be openly, aggressively gay like mr. hormel to do a better job. this was the late 90s and toxic homophobia was very common common, hagel...
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on-going bloody syrian conflict, lawmakers have now received their first public military assessment from pentagon leadership and it's not looking so hot. in a letter to the senate armed services committee, the joint chiefs of staff chairman, general martin dempsey offered a bleak portrait of what u.s. military intervention in the syrian conflict would entail. dempsey wrote that setting up a no-fly zone over parts of syria would require hundreds of ground and sea-based aircraft, intelligence and electronic warfare support and enablers for refueling and communications, estimated costs are $500 million. for that kind of money, you could buy current tv. averaging as much as a billion dollars per month over the course of a year. that's a lot of money. that's no guarantees of success and guess what, no oil. here to discuss syria, egypt and all things middle east is my exquisite panel political comedian of palestinian dissent dean obeidallah. filmmaker, nikki and contributor of forbes.com, the most foreign man here because he's from l.a., rick ungar. so we have a jew a catholic and two muslims and later
on-going bloody syrian conflict, lawmakers have now received their first public military assessment from pentagon leadership and it's not looking so hot. in a letter to the senate armed services committee, the joint chiefs of staff chairman, general martin dempsey offered a bleak portrait of what u.s. military intervention in the syrian conflict would entail. dempsey wrote that setting up a no-fly zone over parts of syria would require hundreds of ground and sea-based aircraft, intelligence and...
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half of them in the pentagon. the pentagon yesterday said okay, you want to this happen? here's what you got. you have a decline in military readiness for the united states. that's already started because ships that should have been deployed to the mediterranean have not been deployed because operations and maintenance on militaryaire craft has been postponed or delayed. that's really smart. they're going to cut back on training so new forces to replace existing forces in afghanistan or iraq, for example. they're just not going to be ready to be deployed. and the pentagon said maybe most striking of all we have already sent out word to 800,000 civilian employees of the pentagon around the world. most of them in this country. a lot of them here in washington, d.c. and in northern virginia. sent word out that they're going to be furloughed which means in the beginning, they will have to cut back one day a week without pay. that's a 20% cut in their pay. one little example... i was told yesterday that if the sequester kicks in, for example there will be no easter egg roll at
half of them in the pentagon. the pentagon yesterday said okay, you want to this happen? here's what you got. you have a decline in military readiness for the united states. that's already started because ships that should have been deployed to the mediterranean have not been deployed because operations and maintenance on militaryaire craft has been postponed or delayed. that's really smart. they're going to cut back on training so new forces to replace existing forces in afghanistan or iraq,...
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the size of the pentagon is bigger than 90 countries gdp. so but again so yes there's definitely smart savings that you can do there. again, i would go back to the afghanistan expenditure $2 billion a week we're spending over there. no one thinks we're going to have a combat mission after 2014. so you know, that's money that we're not going to be spending. and so really, the opportunities are there to avoid again by the way, the bipartisan policy center, "new york times" yesterday, said a million jobs will be lost if sequestration goes through. cbo says 1.4. >> bill: congressman, a lot of battles to fight. we're glad you're there fighting them for us. thanks for coming in this morning. >> thanks, bill. >> bill: see you soon. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show." (vo) current tv gets the converstion started next. >> i'm a slutty bob hope. >> you are. >> the troops love me. the sweatshirt is nice and all but i could use a golden lasso. (vo) only on current tv. >> announcer: on your radio and on current tv, this is the "bill press show."
the size of the pentagon is bigger than 90 countries gdp. so but again so yes there's definitely smart savings that you can do there. again, i would go back to the afghanistan expenditure $2 billion a week we're spending over there. no one thinks we're going to have a combat mission after 2014. so you know, that's money that we're not going to be spending. and so really, the opportunities are there to avoid again by the way, the bipartisan policy center, "new york times" yesterday,...
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i'm waiting for somebody in the senate or congress to come up and say we have to restore the pentagon spending because you know, all of this is happening and we need more money for the pentagon. >> we need another icbm. >> don't let a tragedy go to waste, you know. >> stephanie: exactly. thank you, corky. appreciate it. all right. this is one of the bombing victims in boston yesterday. >> there are people who have lost their lives or have lost limbs. so i'm very fortunate. i wish everybody else the best. >> stephanie: again, a lot of -- a lot of heroes along with -- always the best and the worst, these things bring out. the other big story people don't know if it is connected or not is the ricin letter, an envelope addressed to robert wicker in mississippi. tested positive for ricin. potential poison. authorities have a suspect. it was from an individual who frequently writes to lawmakers. it doesn't seem connected but who knows you know. >> what is he advocating that would make someone want to poison him? >> stephanie: i don't know. he's a conservative republican from mississippi. >>
i'm waiting for somebody in the senate or congress to come up and say we have to restore the pentagon spending because you know, all of this is happening and we need more money for the pentagon. >> we need another icbm. >> don't let a tragedy go to waste, you know. >> stephanie: exactly. thank you, corky. appreciate it. all right. this is one of the bombing victims in boston yesterday. >> there are people who have lost their lives or have lost limbs. so i'm very...
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according to a new report by the pentagon. the science board did not accuse the chinese of stealing the designs but senior military and industry officials make knowledge to say the vast majority of the widening campaign of espionage against u.s. defense contractors and government agencies. we're not saying stealing. don't call in your markers. >> shouldn't be concerned. but when i did walk out of seeing the avengers in china they were handing out dvds. you could buy them on the street of all of the schematics for our planes. >> stephanie: we're not saying stealing. that's kind of harsh. please don't call in the iru. >> hal: here is the odd part. in line with the a.p. scandal the rosen story at fox news and the a.p. story, you know, i've had a discussion about this on my own radio show but the idea is that there is a difference between whistle-blower and just leaking facts. in this case, it is like the american people have the right to know. guess what. if they know, if we know some of these things, everybody knows. and in the
according to a new report by the pentagon. the science board did not accuse the chinese of stealing the designs but senior military and industry officials make knowledge to say the vast majority of the widening campaign of espionage against u.s. defense contractors and government agencies. we're not saying stealing. don't call in your markers. >> shouldn't be concerned. but when i did walk out of seeing the avengers in china they were handing out dvds. you could buy them on the street of...
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ellsberg did to the pentagon papers. pentagon papers was 7,000 pages with bradley manning, it was 700,000. the army is again accusing him of being a traitor. they want him court-martialed put in prison for life. eugene robinson in "the washington post" this morning saying look, what he did was wrong which i would agree with. but at the same time, he did not -- he was not trying to betray his country. he was not trying to help the enemy. he was trying to let the american people -- he wanted the american people to know what our government was up to. and you know, i think that's important and sometimes -- i believe always we have a right to know what our government was up to. among the stuff -- i'm not saying out of 700,000 pages sure, there were some things there that should not have been leaked. there was also a lot of stuff there that should have been leaked including most famously, perhaps, a video of a u.s. apache helicopter attack at an intersection in baghdad where our officers, our soldiers were indiscriminately sho
ellsberg did to the pentagon papers. pentagon papers was 7,000 pages with bradley manning, it was 700,000. the army is again accusing him of being a traitor. they want him court-martialed put in prison for life. eugene robinson in "the washington post" this morning saying look, what he did was wrong which i would agree with. but at the same time, he did not -- he was not trying to betray his country. he was not trying to help the enemy. he was trying to let the american people -- he...
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i didn't read the story but you mean that was leaked out of the pentagon? >> this is a devastating security breach. >> will the me ask you this. what about it, what is are they going to do it i would start at the top and fire some people. whatever department came out i'd fire the top guy. >> michael: he's talking about melvin laird, the secretary of defense at the time. james, you said that when it comes to national security and handling the press obama is worse than nixon. obama has indicted six people for security leaks. is what makes him worse than nixon? >> he's getting close to being worse than nixon. overall, but in this area he is worse than nixon. nixon indicted only one person and that was the first person ever so inindicted. and then there were two more since obama came in. and a total of three is all we've ever had in this country. what obama has done, he has indicted six. he's head 6-3. but the three encompasses three and the six from obama. he's worse than nixon. >> michael: there is not an american president alive who would like to be compared
i didn't read the story but you mean that was leaked out of the pentagon? >> this is a devastating security breach. >> will the me ask you this. what about it, what is are they going to do it i would start at the top and fire some people. whatever department came out i'd fire the top guy. >> michael: he's talking about melvin laird, the secretary of defense at the time. james, you said that when it comes to national security and handling the press obama is worse than nixon....
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it gave flexibility to the pentagon, but put the domestic programs in handcuffs, so they couldn't use discretion to figure out how best to mitigate the pain of these cuts. that will be acted on in the senate, and it will probably come back from the senate as a less-bad bill. but on the other hand we're not going to have a budget that makes lot of sense, and in addition to the grinding down of the middle class, that's what the substance of this budget fundamentally does. what is really disgraceful about the process is we have allowed this sequester that 100% of the members of congress are against to go into effect. even if you are for cuts you want some discretion on how to do it. so this is a meat axe approach. so the congress are putting their vote on the line item of what they want to cut. >> stephanie: is there any relief from the sequestration? >> the only way we're going to get relief is through in effect a grand bargain, and the president is reaching out now. he has been criticizes from the house and senate and he had that nice dinner at the jefferson hotel, and made nice with t
it gave flexibility to the pentagon, but put the domestic programs in handcuffs, so they couldn't use discretion to figure out how best to mitigate the pain of these cuts. that will be acted on in the senate, and it will probably come back from the senate as a less-bad bill. but on the other hand we're not going to have a budget that makes lot of sense, and in addition to the grinding down of the middle class, that's what the substance of this budget fundamentally does. what is really...
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but it's not only the pentagon that will be hit hit. jobs could be lost even as far down as local businesses surrounding the pentagon. so in the d.c. maryland, virginia area there could be a significant impact on the local economy. >> michael: you know, as i listen to you say these things i think about the fact that chuck hagel fought so hard for this job, and i can't imagine who would want this job. does this defense budget that he's going to walk into need any major overall now that the wars in iraq and afghanistan are winding down and the president has cited cybersecurity as a new priority? >> absolutely. that's chuck hagel's first line of business. that's the first thing he'll have to do when he wakes up in the morning deal with sequester. as the troops come back from afghanistan the pentagon budget was going to be decreased already. but sequester cuts are significant on top of that. >> michael: and do you expect hagel, and we all expect him to pare down the defense budget. how do you expect him to do it? here is a guy with a histor
but it's not only the pentagon that will be hit hit. jobs could be lost even as far down as local businesses surrounding the pentagon. so in the d.c. maryland, virginia area there could be a significant impact on the local economy. >> michael: you know, as i listen to you say these things i think about the fact that chuck hagel fought so hard for this job, and i can't imagine who would want this job. does this defense budget that he's going to walk into need any major overall now that the...
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. >> michael: she has the pentagon to go up against too. that will betive. let's go to wyoming. there was breaking news. alan simpson said the fact that there is a primary in wyoming is that it's going to be disastrous for the g.o.p. >> it's going to cost them a lot of money. it will cause a lot of pain. it will cause each candidate dick cheney's daughter and the incumbent say things that are really white wing. but in the end wyoming is the smallest populous in the country, and it will take an a lot for a democrat to be elected. >> michael: the governor of wyoming, he raised a strong candidate statewide there is a chance if he steps. >> that would be good. i've worked on two campaigns in wyoming over the last 20 years and they have some really good democrats, some who are truly good public servants but he's the only one that may have won in the last 20 years. >> michael: what does it mean if elizabeth cheney loses. >> it could mean that dick cheney may have come to an end. >> michael: ahead of rush holt frank palone, is the race over? will he be the next senator from new jersey?
. >> michael: she has the pentagon to go up against too. that will betive. let's go to wyoming. there was breaking news. alan simpson said the fact that there is a primary in wyoming is that it's going to be disastrous for the g.o.p. >> it's going to cost them a lot of money. it will cause a lot of pain. it will cause each candidate dick cheney's daughter and the incumbent say things that are really white wing. but in the end wyoming is the smallest populous in the country, and it...
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so the pentagon is looking into what areas it could cut from maintenance on warships to military base operations. last friday the pentagon announced layoffs for 46,000 contract and temporary civilian employees. 46,000. so if chuck hagel makes it through this mine field of senate confirmation questions, he'll inherit another challenge which is how to manage and advocate on behalf of a gigantic government department that believes it has been reduced to scrounging for change. joining me tonight to talk about this is fred kaplan, fred is the author of a terrific new book about general petraeus called "the insuragainst." fred. thank for joining me. >> thank you. >> jennifer: what could we do to cut defense spending that would still leave us prepared for future conflicts? in light of the sequester, et cetera, what do we need to do -- how do we need to focus the cuts. >> on the see questation this was a deal that congress made. everybody would be faced with the same pressure. the defense budget is going to be cut quite a bit no matter what happens because of the fiscal pressures and the fact
so the pentagon is looking into what areas it could cut from maintenance on warships to military base operations. last friday the pentagon announced layoffs for 46,000 contract and temporary civilian employees. 46,000. so if chuck hagel makes it through this mine field of senate confirmation questions, he'll inherit another challenge which is how to manage and advocate on behalf of a gigantic government department that believes it has been reduced to scrounging for change. joining me tonight to...
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the pentagon sends out a surfvay to 108,000 people. what they got back from this survey showed 26,000 cases last year of sexual assault -- we are talking sexual assault am this is more sirius that section annual harassment. sexual assault, to me at least, means physical assault, touching. not just word play. 26,000 cases of sexual assault in the military last year. >> that's up from 19,000s in the year 2010. again, despite all of the pressure, despite all of the news, despite all of the hearings, despite all of the efforts the military say that they are making and leaders of the military and told us we are making progress. this is sirius. we are on top of that. bs. the numbers disprove that and made all the worse a couple of days when colonel jeffrey kazinski, the air force officer in charge of clamping down on sexual assault, he was arrested in an arlington, virginia parking lot, grabbing the buttocks and breasts of another female officer. so the guy in charge of it is guilty of it. is doing it. how bad can you get? kir kirstin kill i
the pentagon sends out a surfvay to 108,000 people. what they got back from this survey showed 26,000 cases last year of sexual assault -- we are talking sexual assault am this is more sirius that section annual harassment. sexual assault, to me at least, means physical assault, touching. not just word play. 26,000 cases of sexual assault in the military last year. >> that's up from 19,000s in the year 2010. again, despite all of the pressure, despite all of the news, despite all of the...
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the pentagon's program is a little bit more transparent, so when the pentagon decides to put somebody on their targeting list, there is a little bit more of a process across the government bureaucracy. the president himself has a little bit more direct input into the pentagon's process, and the cia's process is very internal to the cia. it's a little bit more closed and there are fewer of those kind of checks and balances that you have with the pentagon. so the thinking here is that this is a way at least within the government to increase the checks and balances and increase the degree of at least internal transparency around the drone process. >> bill: and there seems to be even around the pentagon there are more -- i guess -- there are stricter standards and guidelines about when and where drones can be used? >> i think that's right. >> bill: of course we don't know a lot about the program at either program, right? >> that's right. and it's not like the military's program is transparent or non-secretive. i think the biggest difference when the military decides to put someone on this
the pentagon's program is a little bit more transparent, so when the pentagon decides to put somebody on their targeting list, there is a little bit more of a process across the government bureaucracy. the president himself has a little bit more direct input into the pentagon's process, and the cia's process is very internal to the cia. it's a little bit more closed and there are fewer of those kind of checks and balances that you have with the pentagon. so the thinking here is that this is a...
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and military readiness and what that will mean. >> he is at the pentagon now moments away from being sworn in. it could be kathleen seb i will sibilius. chuck hagel has my money. i will be there. if it's not chuck hagel, i will walk out. >> in protest? >> yeah. we wanted hagel. what's going on? >> quick story, public policy poling who we know ppp polled. they did a very, very important study, bill. they polled democrats and republicans to find out who their favorite fried chicken restaurant was. and they put it up against kfc. >> yeah. >> and chick-fil-a. >> popeye's. >> they just put it betweenthies two. i am with you. i say popeye's. popeye's keeps it real but kfc and democrats. democrats perform kfc while 48% of republicans chose chick-fil-a. >> of course. they are homophobic anti-marriage equality. >> exactly. what i found even more interesting out of this pole pole se /* /* poll, 43% of republicans say the nasty it al y'all food restaurant is quote a quality source of authenticethnic food. 43% of republicans say olive guardn is a quality source of was ethnic food. >> that's like
and military readiness and what that will mean. >> he is at the pentagon now moments away from being sworn in. it could be kathleen seb i will sibilius. chuck hagel has my money. i will be there. if it's not chuck hagel, i will walk out. >> in protest? >> yeah. we wanted hagel. what's going on? >> quick story, public policy poling who we know ppp polled. they did a very, very important study, bill. they polled democrats and republicans to find out who their favorite...
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apparently brennan wants to put them under pentagon control. who knows if that is true but there are three things i was shocked the democrats didn't bring up. and it's three questions that every president obama ditto head has to respond to. i don't like criticizing this but let's be honestly about a couple of things. number 1, the word imminent how that no longer means imminent and it means we think you might do something 20s years from now and that makes you an imminent threat and we have to kill you with with no trial. no. 2 is militant. any male over the age of 16 whose near where one of these bombs goes off is counted as a militant whether they were or not. toe try to talk al-qaeda guys. >> that's how they keep the civilian death tolls low. it's a dirt dirty business. number 3, blowback, what no democrat asked about is every time we kill an america hater with one of these things we are creating untold numbers of new. so it's person pet y'all war. >> i would add a high informed -- highly placed. we don't know who that is. who is making this
apparently brennan wants to put them under pentagon control. who knows if that is true but there are three things i was shocked the democrats didn't bring up. and it's three questions that every president obama ditto head has to respond to. i don't like criticizing this but let's be honestly about a couple of things. number 1, the word imminent how that no longer means imminent and it means we think you might do something 20s years from now and that makes you an imminent threat and we have to...
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i don't know what his management experience is regarding the pentagon. little if any. so i think it's an incredibly controversial choice and it looks like the second term of barack obama is going to be an in-your-face term. >> stephanie: that is lindsay graham objecting to chuck hagel's nomination to be the next secretary of defense. and hague sell not the only nominee that will face opposition, and here with that story is democratic strategist peter fenn. thanks for joining us in "the war room" again. >> thanks. great to be with you governor. >> jennifer: okay is the president going to have a really big fight on his hands, or is this just a bunch of media making about it because a few are raising their head and objecting? >> it's really hard to tell how much the republicans are going to push this. they are itching for a fight, governor. they just got kind of beaten up. boehner is in trouble. so they are picking a fight with the president a bit on this one. lindsay graham is looking over his shoulder worried about his base, so you have got a little of that going on but
i don't know what his management experience is regarding the pentagon. little if any. so i think it's an incredibly controversial choice and it looks like the second term of barack obama is going to be an in-your-face term. >> stephanie: that is lindsay graham objecting to chuck hagel's nomination to be the next secretary of defense. and hague sell not the only nominee that will face opposition, and here with that story is democratic strategist peter fenn. thanks for joining us in...
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pentagon. it's not going to be sustainable for them. >> bill: the center for american progress has a lot of ties to the white house. so you're going to be live blogging tonight. what does that mean? >> he's going to say something and we're going to provide the context. he's going to say we've reduced spending. we're going to have the numbers that debt has fallen by $4.5 trillion by 2010. not only the speech. we'll be doing the rebuttal. marco rubio's rebuttal. the english part of it we'll push back upon. check out think progress this morning. we're going to have a video put together. you know, you heard a lot during the republican national convention of i'm a child of immigrants. my grandmother came to this country. my great-grandparents. we're going to have a compilation. rubio is going to talk about immigration. of all of these republicans during the election touting their immigrant roots. touting those connections. are they going to stand in the way of comprehensive immigration reform. when
pentagon. it's not going to be sustainable for them. >> bill: the center for american progress has a lot of ties to the white house. so you're going to be live blogging tonight. what does that mean? >> he's going to say something and we're going to provide the context. he's going to say we've reduced spending. we're going to have the numbers that debt has fallen by $4.5 trillion by 2010. not only the speech. we'll be doing the rebuttal. marco rubio's rebuttal. the english part of it...
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they're going to let this happen to the pentagon? >> i think a lot of the very defense hawks are saying no, we cannot let this happen to the pentagon but the general consensus -- not the general -- >> bill: the tea partiers more. >> broad ranging part of the republican conference and congress is saying we don't want these cuts. if they're avoidable that's great. but if it's -- we're not going to accept tax increase to be able to do it. if it has to happen, then they have to happen. >> bill: that would be -- so friday, march 1. you said something interesting that at least for maybe a few days. so what's that all about? >> i think it is similar to what you saw with the fiscal cliff. i think we technically did tip over the fiscal cliff because we passed december 31st. there having been no deal. i don't know if there's sort of a pressure that once you start to see the economic effects and the air-traffic controllers having trouble doing their job or the fbi agents who are furloughed, i don't know if those effects would product congress t
they're going to let this happen to the pentagon? >> i think a lot of the very defense hawks are saying no, we cannot let this happen to the pentagon but the general consensus -- not the general -- >> bill: the tea partiers more. >> broad ranging part of the republican conference and congress is saying we don't want these cuts. if they're avoidable that's great. but if it's -- we're not going to accept tax increase to be able to do it. if it has to happen, then they have to...
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half of the $85 billion comes from the pentagon the other half from various other government agencies. cbo says the sequester would slow our economy. the white house has just released a new photograph of the president signing a letter a child sent him after the shooting in newtown connecticut. the photo was taken backstage right after the president announced his 23 new executive actions. former secretary of state madeline all bright says the administration's use of drones has been very effective in killing terrorists. she said the issue came up during her tenure in relation to the war in kosowo. she adds the issue has gotten more complicated and warrants a hearty public debate. we're back with more after the break. ♪ and legal acceptance, a new pioneer is emerging from the backwoods. >> i'm basically like a farmer. instead of corn, you've got dope. (vo) but what is legal and what is criminal? >> this is, no matter what you do, a violation of federal law. (vo) follow real farmers staking their claim on a new frontier. >> lots of terrible things happen to people growing marijuana. >>
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and there was another famous leaker daniel ellsberg, he leaked the pentagon papers. he's considered a hero. is he the same as these other two leakers? we'll ask him ourselves. and we want to show you a documentary called "the most dangerous man in america" that talks about ellsberg. let's take a look at what happened back then. >> i took the papers to the most outspoken critics of the war. surely they would embrace these revelations and want to make them public. >> the people that i needed to talk to were the ones they had been saying they had been against the war for years they were supporting the war they said it was wrong and what i wanted them to do, and what i still want them to do, and what they still can do is act. >> cenk: now original leaker daniel ellsberg joins us on "the young turks." great to have you with us, daniel. >> fine, thank you for having me. >> cenk: obviously daniel is on skype there. how similar are your cases between edward snowden bradley manning. >> i feel great similarity between all of them. i was 40, bradley manning 22, i give him credi
and there was another famous leaker daniel ellsberg, he leaked the pentagon papers. he's considered a hero. is he the same as these other two leakers? we'll ask him ourselves. and we want to show you a documentary called "the most dangerous man in america" that talks about ellsberg. let's take a look at what happened back then. >> i took the papers to the most outspoken critics of the war. surely they would embrace these revelations and want to make them public. >> the...
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i was there because the pentagon was in a new negotiating round to try to get new oil companies into afghanistan and the world attention was focused on the country in that sector, and so, too, were the taliban. >> john: we only have 20 seconds left but if the taliban were to get a place at the table in terms of governance, what is their end game here? >> well, i think that that certainly is a bigger question for what the taliban's end game is. i think in terms of this resource, what we don't want is to create another hotbed for violence in afghanistan. there is plenty of hotbeds for violence. it's dangerous for afghans. it's dangerous for americans. it's dangerous for arability ability to end the war and we don't want to put another thing in the taliban's hands that let's them create even greater instability and insecurity. i think it's important for the pentagon to be focused on this volatile resource, and i think my experience in afghanistan demonstrated that, it is creating more volatility than it is creating stability. >> john: we thank thank you for sharing your experience. it's
i was there because the pentagon was in a new negotiating round to try to get new oil companies into afghanistan and the world attention was focused on the country in that sector, and so, too, were the taliban. >> john: we only have 20 seconds left but if the taliban were to get a place at the table in terms of governance, what is their end game here? >> well, i think that that certainly is a bigger question for what the taliban's end game is. i think in terms of this resource, what...
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substitutes, new recruits, new blad to -- blood to iraq and afghanistan, new troops over there, the pentagon has had to delay those. what did the congress do? nothing. the navy has said they couldn't deploy ships to the middle east. what did the congress do? nothing. but people get caught in these flight delays flying from here to new york, and the senate acts in one day, and guess what the house is going to act today before they go home for their next ten-daybreak, and so we're going to have a special little exemption for flight delays a special little exemption for the faa, and the house with is supporting it. i think this is a horrible idea. 866-55-press. number one i think it makes a joke of the sequester. so the sequester isn't really that serious after all, i guess, if you can keep carving out special exserveemptionxemptions. why would the white house go along with this? they allow an exemption for air traffic controllers. who is next, farmers? small business people maybe? i don't know. you could make the argument with cities with less than a million people or less than 500,000 maybe g
substitutes, new recruits, new blad to -- blood to iraq and afghanistan, new troops over there, the pentagon has had to delay those. what did the congress do? nothing. the navy has said they couldn't deploy ships to the middle east. what did the congress do? nothing. but people get caught in these flight delays flying from here to new york, and the senate acts in one day, and guess what the house is going to act today before they go home for their next ten-daybreak, and so we're going to have a...
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. >> that's been part of the pentagon's concern in saying there should be like a force after the to ease the position. not going to have a discussion about that if, you know unless there is in place. if there is there is no to investment in the president long-term. one of the questions that was raised friday by one of the afghan journalists. what about the role of women? there are women who believe they are going to end up on the short end of the stick here under a new afghan government. how does the united states feel about that? and the president it's up to the afghan people. on the other hand, we feel it's essential. >> if the taliban for example were to get in were to enforce sharia law. >> it is something for years has been a concern not only for women's groups but for this administration, for any administration. >> the u.s. is asking women in afghan society to participate, to step out on a limb to take advantage of the possibility pi what happens when the u.s. goes home and sort of left standing there and you have put your name out there and you have put yourself out there and it m
. >> that's been part of the pentagon's concern in saying there should be like a force after the to ease the position. not going to have a discussion about that if, you know unless there is in place. if there is there is no to investment in the president long-term. one of the questions that was raised friday by one of the afghan journalists. what about the role of women? there are women who believe they are going to end up on the short end of the stick here under a new afghan government....
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if it's not a staffing problem and we know that the pentagon and the v.a. is not affected by the sequester then it has to be a funding issue. if the blame doesn't fall on the head of benefits, allison hickey or fall on the president or does it fall on a previous administration that sent all these troops to war. who do we place the blame and how do we start to fix it? >> well, you have to understand that v.a. has and was underfunded under the previous administration for eight years. each year you look at the funding under secretary nicholson, and the funding actually went down even though we were at war. >> john: amazing. >> secretary shenseki has asked for, and rather secretary shenseki has asked for and gotten increased funding every year. my guess is that he's not asking for enough funding. that's one issue. automation is another issue. the claims process for up until about two years ago was mostly a manual process, a paper process. it's just in the last few years that a true automation process has come into existence. the veteran's benefits management sy
if it's not a staffing problem and we know that the pentagon and the v.a. is not affected by the sequester then it has to be a funding issue. if the blame doesn't fall on the head of benefits, allison hickey or fall on the president or does it fall on a previous administration that sent all these troops to war. who do we place the blame and how do we start to fix it? >> well, you have to understand that v.a. has and was underfunded under the previous administration for eight years. each...
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thing is the hypocrisy that he was going after there is hardly a day that went by when he was with the pentagon, white house, nsa when somebody wasn't complaining about how the chinese were hacking into american circuits and so forth and stealing information. when all along the u.s. had i think basically a far more aggressive operation going than what the chinese have against us. we have a whole cybercommand that is using cyberto destroy things which is the center fuges. >> john: and i'm sure that neither side was surprised by these revelations but i want to move on to your latest articles where you write about the current nsa director general keith alexander. where does alexander stand in the spell against hierarchy and what changes has he overseen in the nsa since he took command. >> i've never seen anyone ride so high in the intelligence community before. i think general alexander the head of nsa's most powerful person in the haste history of american intelligence, and the reason for that is because he not only controls the biggest intelligence and most secret intelligence agency in the nsa.
thing is the hypocrisy that he was going after there is hardly a day that went by when he was with the pentagon, white house, nsa when somebody wasn't complaining about how the chinese were hacking into american circuits and so forth and stealing information. when all along the u.s. had i think basically a far more aggressive operation going than what the chinese have against us. we have a whole cybercommand that is using cyberto destroy things which is the center fuges. >> john: and i'm...
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this was not imposed on them by any civilians in the pentagon or the white house. the joint chiefs recommended it because women are already in combat. let's start paying the ones who are in combat, what they deserve >> it is not like every woman in the military will be in combat. you've got to earn it. there's going to be tests. i mean come on, they're not just going to send people out there who aren't qualified. we don't have time to talk about hillary's testimony on the hill last week. just the floodgates of right wing misogyny that that opened up. preview of what's to come, i think. >> john: i think you're right eric. they had eight years of hating her as first lady. 12 years of loving her as a senator and secretary of state and now they're looking at 2016, they're going to hate her all over again to hurt her so chris christie, who they also hate, can become president. one more thing about the women in combat. there's so many men in the military who aren't fit for combat. there were so many women who are ready for combat and haven't been allowed to serve. i want
this was not imposed on them by any civilians in the pentagon or the white house. the joint chiefs recommended it because women are already in combat. let's start paying the ones who are in combat, what they deserve >> it is not like every woman in the military will be in combat. you've got to earn it. there's going to be tests. i mean come on, they're not just going to send people out there who aren't qualified. we don't have time to talk about hillary's testimony on the hill last week....